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	<title>Comments on: The $17,500 computer science degree</title>
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	<description>Assistant Professor, School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, Oregon State University</description>
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		<title>By: Glencora Borradaile</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Glencora Borradaile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anonymous is correct in his estimate.  It will be under $30K with fees, etc.  It is still a financially feasible option, but I do wish we could give our Oregon taxpayers a deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous is correct in his estimate.  It will be under $30K with fees, etc.  It is still a financially feasible option, but I do wish we could give our Oregon taxpayers a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It could also be because Film Studies is not exactly a degree that is in high demand by employers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could also be because Film Studies is not exactly a degree that is in high demand by employers.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe two months ago, on October 5th 2012, it was still $17,000. Not anymore.

Here&#039;s the official tuition schedule: http://ecampus.oregonstate.edu/online-degrees/undergraduate/computer-science/tuition.htm

$450/credit * 60 credits = $27,000.

I&#039;d be very interested at $17k; at $27k, much less so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe two months ago, on October 5th 2012, it was still $17,000. Not anymore.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the official tuition schedule: <a href="http://ecampus.oregonstate.edu/online-degrees/undergraduate/computer-science/tuition.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ecampus.oregonstate.edu/online-degrees/undergraduate/computer-science/tuition.htm</a></p>
<p>$450/credit * 60 credits = $27,000.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very interested at $17k; at $27k, much less so.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John is wrong.  Oregon State does not have different in-state/out-of-state tuition costs for their ONLINE degrees.  They do have different tuition scales for on campus degrees.  The $40,000 John is referencing would be for an out-of-state on campus student, but $17,000 is still the rate for the ONLINE degree this article is talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is wrong.  Oregon State does not have different in-state/out-of-state tuition costs for their ONLINE degrees.  They do have different tuition scales for on campus degrees.  The $40,000 John is referencing would be for an out-of-state on campus student, but $17,000 is still the rate for the ONLINE degree this article is talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad I saw this. I was looking into the program, but 40K is overpriced for a post-baccalaureate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I saw this. I was looking into the program, but 40K is overpriced for a post-baccalaureate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 05:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[will the  post-bacc degree online have any opportunities for internships? I am afraid that is why I never got a job offer from my first degree (Film Studies) I never had any real world experience. and now 10 years later I am in a manufacturing job with layoff rumors every day. I wonder if I could intern while keeping my current job?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will the  post-bacc degree online have any opportunities for internships? I am afraid that is why I never got a job offer from my first degree (Film Studies) I never had any real world experience. and now 10 years later I am in a manufacturing job with layoff rumors every day. I wonder if I could intern while keeping my current job?</p>
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		<title>By: Glencora Borradaile</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Glencora Borradaile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was disappointed to hear this news too.  I didn&#039;t quite know what to say about it.  The socialist in me cringes.  Perhaps they could find a way to keep the cost low for residents of Oregon?  I don&#039;t really have a problem with higher tuition for those from outside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was disappointed to hear this news too.  I didn&#8217;t quite know what to say about it.  The socialist in me cringes.  Perhaps they could find a way to keep the cost low for residents of Oregon?  I don&#8217;t really have a problem with higher tuition for those from outside.</p>
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		<title>By: John Elmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>John Elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not any more! Out of state students pay almost 40,000 dollars. Recent changes to credit cost are now more than twice as before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not any more! Out of state students pay almost 40,000 dollars. Recent changes to credit cost are now more than twice as before.</p>
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		<title>By: Glencora Borradaile</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>Glencora Borradaile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 14:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I hear the phrase &quot;job-ready graduate&quot; one more time ...

There is definitely an emphasis at OSU (and at other North American institutions) on developing applicable skills.  Many schools have very strong internship programs -- OSU arranges two 6-month internships with (mostly Oregonian) companies for about half of the undergraduates.  We also have an industrial board for our School of EECS and the people on that board definitely influence the choice of languages in our courses and the special topics that are made available in the upper years.  I&#039;m pretty protected from all this in the courses that I teach, though, so I&#039;m not quite the person to ask.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I hear the phrase &#8220;job-ready graduate&#8221; one more time &#8230;</p>
<p>There is definitely an emphasis at OSU (and at other North American institutions) on developing applicable skills.  Many schools have very strong internship programs &#8212; OSU arranges two 6-month internships with (mostly Oregonian) companies for about half of the undergraduates.  We also have an industrial board for our School of EECS and the people on that board definitely influence the choice of languages in our courses and the special topics that are made available in the upper years.  I&#8217;m pretty protected from all this in the courses that I teach, though, so I&#8217;m not quite the person to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous moose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/glencora/2012/04/30/the-17500-computer-science-degree/#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 01:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This degree provides an opportunity for the un- or under-employed to retrain for less than the cost of a new car.&quot;

I&#039;m curious about this statement, since where I come from (Israel), CS is not considered a &#039;vocational&#039; degree like law, medicine or even engineering, but rather a &#039;theoretical&#039; degree like mathematics or philosophy. I was wondering if there is a pronounced vocational element in the CS degrees in US universities (or, specifically, in your university).

To be more specific, it is commonly thought that Israeli universities do not give CS students any real applicable skills that directly translate to the job market or provide any &quot;training&quot; for the job market, but rather that a CS degree teaches students to think. The common view is that if they decide to go into industry, they can get the skills they need easily enough after that (I&#039;m not sure if this common view is based on any real knowledge). It is also believed that it is hard, maybe impossible under current constraints, to provide students with actual applicable knowledge in the course of a university degree, even if professors wanted to. I was wondering if some US universities are better at this, or maybe there is just less awareness of the gap between the type of ostensibly applied knowledge that universities do give, and knowledge that is actually useful in today&#039;s industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This degree provides an opportunity for the un- or under-employed to retrain for less than the cost of a new car.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about this statement, since where I come from (Israel), CS is not considered a &#8216;vocational&#8217; degree like law, medicine or even engineering, but rather a &#8216;theoretical&#8217; degree like mathematics or philosophy. I was wondering if there is a pronounced vocational element in the CS degrees in US universities (or, specifically, in your university).</p>
<p>To be more specific, it is commonly thought that Israeli universities do not give CS students any real applicable skills that directly translate to the job market or provide any &#8220;training&#8221; for the job market, but rather that a CS degree teaches students to think. The common view is that if they decide to go into industry, they can get the skills they need easily enough after that (I&#8217;m not sure if this common view is based on any real knowledge). It is also believed that it is hard, maybe impossible under current constraints, to provide students with actual applicable knowledge in the course of a university degree, even if professors wanted to. I was wondering if some US universities are better at this, or maybe there is just less awareness of the gap between the type of ostensibly applied knowledge that universities do give, and knowledge that is actually useful in today&#8217;s industry.</p>
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